tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-562680309009676006.post4513546614991199477..comments2023-10-23T22:20:33.854+01:00Comments on Anders Rasmussen Blog: True cyborgs now a reality!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-562680309009676006.post-25567321955961698972007-02-15T12:02:00.000+01:002007-02-15T12:02:00.000+01:00Got itOne of my joys in life is parrots, unfortuna...Got it<BR/><BR/>One of my joys in life is parrots, unfortunately i don't have any now. They don't actually "speak" my language, they just understand what input (which sound and sentence) to make, <BR/><BR/>......in order to get the output (sugar,peanuts, rewards)<BR/><BR/>(I've also read the criticism against the Chinese argument)<BR/><BR/>zAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-562680309009676006.post-83002959821526573582007-02-14T17:16:00.000+01:002007-02-14T17:16:00.000+01:00Indeed, you could apply the turing test to any typ...Indeed, you could apply the turing test to any type of behavior. The chinese room argument is superficially only about language, however, I thik that the problem is the same for all domains of behavior. <BR/><BR/>The argument is really quite simple (I probably screwed up when explaining it). I'll try one more time because it is a nice argument. Imagine that someone in asked you in chinese "what is the longest river in china", it would probably look more like "/&%/&%¤"/&R¤/&%#¤". You have a paper where it says, if you get "/&%/&%¤"/&R¤/&%#¤" (same as above), then reply (/&#(/&¤%#%%%%%%#¤(/#, which in chinese mean the yellow river (or whatever is the longest river in China). Further, imagine that you had a response to any type of input that you would get. If you had this you would pass the Turing test and someone from the outside would conclude that you know Chinese, but do you? No, you just know how to look up how to respond in a list, you don't understand it. Why not? Because you don't know what any of the symbols mean, in English you know what the different symbols mean... I hope it got clearer now, but if not, check it out somewhere on the net, it quite a simple argument really.rasmussenandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18094631016209971125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-562680309009676006.post-91207491360054422702007-02-14T15:21:00.000+01:002007-02-14T15:21:00.000+01:00adding again...I meant: The Turing test seems to c...adding again...<BR/>I meant: The Turing test seems to cover much more than speaking a language.<BR/><BR/>zAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-562680309009676006.post-78243539870003556312007-02-14T15:18:00.000+01:002007-02-14T15:18:00.000+01:00......plus, ....i figure, the machine has to learn.........plus, <BR/>....i figure, the machine has to learn to lie as well. If i pose a question: "Been to the mall this week?" or "What movie did you see last Thursday?".....<BR/><BR/>....i, mean, this "guy" doesn't have the means to move about like many people do. "He" would have to totally make up many experiences.<BR/><BR/>I can't quite follow the Chinese room problem, i mean, artificial intelligence is so much more than just "mastering a language". One would have to manipulate lots and lots and lots of skills, not just the ability to speak a language. The full range of human behavior (or, at least, human communication) is at stake here. ;)<BR/><BR/>well, what the hey.... i guess i'll have to read more about Searle, before i make any more statements.<BR/><BR/>zAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-562680309009676006.post-34830805921391672822007-02-14T14:58:00.000+01:002007-02-14T14:58:00.000+01:00Thank you,I have actually just listened to an enti...Thank you,<BR/>I have actually just listened to an entire lecture about the main challenge for the turing test as a measure of intelligence. <BR/><BR/>You have perhaps heard of "the chinese room", a thought experiment made by John Searle. It goes something like this: Imagine that you sit in a room and that you get chinese symbols through a mailbox. You also have a complete table showing how to manipulate these symbols and when this is done you send it back through the mailbox. To the outsider it would seem that you new chinese, however, I have been convinced that even if I could do this (manipulate the symbols according to the rules I have) I do not know chinese since I do not know what any of the symbols mean. <BR/><BR/>To put it in another way, understanding (whether that is the same as intelligence or not), requires semantics (the meaning of symbols) as well as syntactics (how you manipulate the words), a computer only knows the latter, why it does not understand anything.rasmussenandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18094631016209971125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-562680309009676006.post-67504830797066175142007-02-14T13:33:00.000+01:002007-02-14T13:33:00.000+01:00Thanks for this interesting entry.One can always t...Thanks for this interesting entry.<BR/><BR/>One can always test any newmade intelligence (including one's own brain ;) ) like this:<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test<BR/><BR/>(look at chapter 1 : History)<BR/><BR/>zAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com